Lesson 3: Applying Construction to Plants

12:51 AM, Friday April 30th 2021

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Hi there everyone.

I've included a library of all my reference images, which you can view here: https://imgur.com/a/IdyIHKu

Each plant corresponds by number to an image here (also labelled by number). To my great dismay, I lost some images due to a data corruption, hence plants 24, 25, 27 aren't here.

Greatly appreciate the feedback. Thank you.

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7:20 PM, Monday May 3rd 2021

To add to what the others said I want to comment on a few things:

I think you're doing a pretty good job on making the drawngs solid, controlling ellipses orientations and other things, but I think there are some important other things you're missing, so I'll go over them!:

-I think that the most important thing is that you are drawing way too small, I'd recommend you to do only 1 drawing per page as big as you can make it, even in future lessons. Don't worry about not getting enough practice. Prioritize quality always over quantity in drawabox.

-Second most important thing is that I think you have tendency to skip the ghosting method and drawing with the shoulder, specially in smaller lines in ellipses. Every line you draw needs to be carefully ghosted until you're confident and drawn with the shoulder, and ellipses must be ghosted and drawn through 2 times as well (which I think you skipped on the small ones sometimes) drawn with the shoulder as well no matter how small they are.

-Third is that you are skipping constructional steps in some curves such as in the right flower on this page. Here's one example of this.

-Now on your branches they're pretty confident and you're doing a good job at handling the shifting of the degrees of the ellipses on them, but sometimes your ellipses are a bit tilted. Make sure you're thinking about the major axis of the ellipse before drawing it so it's perpendicular to the minor axis. Another thing is the visible tails that you were already commented on. To fix this I recommend to draw superimposed-like lines in each stroke of the branch. By doing this you can start way before the previous line ends, and it will be much easier to achieve a smooth transition between each line.

-On the arrows you're doing a good job, but you're repeating some lines. No matter how off a line is just leave it be, even if you're adding lineweight. So when you approach a superimposed line to add lineweight ghost it until you're confident and do your best. If it fails then just move on to the next line. Remember that what we're doing here is not doing pretty pictures, but learning. So the best approach is the one that makes you learn the most, not the one that gets you the most pretty results.

Last thing I want to comment on is that the degrees on a cylinder like a pot will always get wider as they get away from us, so on this drawing you made the bottom ellipse shoulder wider than the top one, as it's facing more towards us. I recommend to rewatch the ellipse session on lesson 1 that got reworked a few weeks ago if you're confused, it's explained pretty well.

Overall I think you're making good progress, but I think It'd be a good idea if you drew another plant as big as you could in the whole page. To make sure you can approach construction without skipping steps, and specially to make sure you are able to apply the ghosting method properly. Good luck and keep up the good work!

Next Steps:

1 more plant page construction. Make sure you ghost every single line and draw it in the whole A4 page as big as you can make it

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5:17 AM, Thursday May 6th 2021
edited at 5:19 AM, May 6th 2021

Heyo, Did some revisions:

there were two attempts on this, because on the the first attempt when I was attempting to do the leaves as construction I felt that A. I wasn't able to do it and B. It's perhaps texture, and not actually contstruction. In either case, I decided to approach the construction differently.

https://imgur.com/a/ICTVZZq

Thought that there was perhaps value in putting in pictures of both attempts.

I felt like I didn't really know what I was doing with the leaf perspective.

Much to my distate, I know that there are some lines that wobble. I did make an effort to ghost every line, I guess my hand slipped or maybe I didn't prepare enough.

The tip you gave about visible tails, ie. drawing a superimposed line I felt was very helpful, I felt a lot more comfortable drawing lines with that.

edited at 5:19 AM, May 6th 2021
2:18 PM, Friday May 7th 2021

Feels better overall than your previous drawings, good job! Lines are more confident and you've drawn on the whole page as I asked.

I would have liked to have seen you tackle a subject that makes you break complex curves into simple ones to see how you handle it as well, but it'll have to do. If you wanted to tackle those leaves, then it would probably have a been a good idea to zoom as much as you can on them so you can actually construct them instead of using individual lines.

In general as well keep in mind that you shouldn't do trees on this lesson, for similar reasons as the trouble you encountered, they're way too big and complex to construct completely, though palm trees are a bit easier.

I think you're on the right direction so I'll be marking this as complete. Good job and good luck with lesson 4!

Next Steps:

Lesson 4

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8:52 AM, Sunday May 2nd 2021
edited at 8:54 AM, May 2nd 2021

Stick to 1-3 big plant drawings per page. this applies on insects in the next lesson, too.

your lines are too hesitant. Stop chicken-scratching. If you wanna draw a line, you can only attempt to draw it once. you can't try to draw it again. learn to accept your imperfect lines.

you also need to use the ghosting method more. I'd say for branches and stalks and any long lines you want to draw.

Mistake: Visible tails in a compound stroke,

"Along with ghosting your each stroke before executing it, one thing that may help is to try extending that line half way towards the next ellipse before pulling up, as well as placing the ellipses far enough apart to ensure that "halfway" is a good enough length of runway. You're more likely to end up with a stiff or improperly aimed tail if you haven't got much room to work with."

Mistake: Drawing whole edge in one stroke

The two common mistakes are explained here

Next Steps:

maybe do this excercise more in your warm ups

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edited at 8:54 AM, May 2nd 2021
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11:58 AM, Monday May 3rd 2021

Just gonna give u my thoughts, dont count this as the sec critique u requested.

arrows look good

On the leaves i would say you should try to go for a more 3d ones, some seem too 2d, ik sometimes it doesnt work out but thats alright.

Your construction seem solid too me, but their are a bit small, so its harder to judge the perspectives, but nr 10 and 16 look pretty good.

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